Comments on: (musical) time and machine musicianship (part 0)

By: (musical) time and machine musicianship (part 0.2) – io 0.0.1 beta++

(musical) time and machine musicianship (part 0.2) – io 0.0.1 beta++ — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 04:04:23 +0000

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By: Han-earl Park

Han-earl Park — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 21:11:42 +0000

In reply to Markus Wenninger. Honestly I don’t get the point of interest in such a, e.g. “there’s beat detection in humans, and that’s where music comes from!” naiveté?!

Naivete? Perhaps… but it’s also a form of political/ideological regulation; closing off some forms of politics, reenforcing others.

Thanks for the comment, and for reading!

By: Han-earl Park

Han-earl Park — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:56:38 +0000

In reply to Bernd Buerklin.

Thanks for the comment, Bernd.

Taking your second point, what does it mean to “choose to ignore” “‘conventional’ rhythms and beats”? Might it be possible to envision a musical practice in which “‘conventional’ rhythms and beats” might not exist to be ignored?

Interestingly enough, the idea of the control as you describe it (“tendency for regulation exists within me, but I have control over it”) is pretty much exactly the mechanism (as Foucault described) that birthed of the Western subject.

Thanks for reading!

By: (musical) time and machine musicianship (part 0.1) – io 0.0.1 beta++

(musical) time and machine musicianship (part 0.1) – io 0.0.1 beta++ — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:10:53 +0000

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By: Markus Wenninger

Markus Wenninger — Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:33:52 +0000

Wholeheartedly supports this scepticism. All like attempts to find a hardwiring for any form of the arts is methodologically naive & prey to the fallacy of metaphysics – “the truth is out there”, whether this spot of innocence is located inside the brain organ, inside a cultural teaching or consuming place, or even in the structure of the world (: the illusion of being able to pry the natura naturans from the natura naturata). Honestly I don’t get the point of interest in such a, e.g. “there’s beat detection in humans, and that’s where music comes from!” naiveté?! There’s no outside to naturans, & these followers of behaviourism & metaphysics should better learn to live with the fact that music can & will crop up anywheres & at any time & in any form, beat or no beat- drop that idea of anticipation & lexicality, that’s structuralism, & we’ve had that already.

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Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:18:11 +0000

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By: Bernd Buerklin

Bernd Buerklin — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:22:29 +0000

1. The boundary between musical and unmusical is always drawn within the individual, since music ultimately resides in the perception.
2. Your skepticism about beat detection is not at all opposite to the proposition that such simple ‘beat detection’ might be foundational to practical musicality.
In my personal experience as improviser I am at all times very aware of the “conventional” rhythms and beats, and I choose to ignore them the best I can, except for when I choose not to ignore them and play with them. The tendency for regulation exists within me, but I have control over it. This control though is something that I acquired through practice. And this is where improvisation as a practice comes into play, where we can leave conventions behind, learn to “stand our ground”, as you said.
3. The musical hub is not in the mind. The hub of being is not in the mind. The hub of life is not in the mind. It is in the we, it is in the common experience, one could argue that therefor the musical hub is simply in this universe. This, of course, makes it very difficult to write a thesis about, doesn’t it?